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FITNESS CHAT at 11 a.m.: Ask the experts all about BOXING for fitness. Is it for you?

By Prue Salasky

11:00 AM EST, February 25, 2011

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On Friday, February 25, at 11 a.m. we had a live Web chat on Boxing and general fitness www.dailypress.com. Once confined to professionals and would-be professionals, boxing has become one of the most popular classes at gyms everywhere for men, women and children who want to get fit or stay fit. Kelli Paul, owner of Bootcamp Fitness, and Coach Lloyd Jones of Newport News Boxing Club answered your questions about boxing for all ages and fitness levels.

 Fitness Fridays: Ask the experts all about boxing for fitness(02/25/2011) 
10:58
Prue: 
Readers: Welcome to our Friday fitness chat. Today we're talking with two experts about BOXING. Is it for you? Find out in the next hour.
Friday February 25, 2011 10:58 Prue
10:59
Prue: 
Kelli Paul of Bootcamp Fitness in Newport News will be answering some of your questions. She'll be joined by Coach Lloyd Jones of Newport News Boxing Club.
Friday February 25, 2011 10:59 Prue
10:59
Prue: 
Kelli and Lloyd -- Please let our readers know when you're ready to answer their questions.
Friday February 25, 2011 10:59 Prue
11:00
Prue: 
Boxing has become super popular just as a fitness routine. I'm hoping to learn just how to get started and what it can do for the "regular" person as well as the competitor.
Friday February 25, 2011 11:00 Prue
11:00
BootcampFitness: 
Hello Prue, Lloyd and chat guests!
Friday February 25, 2011 11:00 BootcampFitness
11:01
Prue: 
Hi Kelli -- That's "Bootcamp Fitness" -- Can you tell us what some of the classes are that you teach.
Friday February 25, 2011 11:01 Prue
11:01
BootcampFitness: 
I teaching Kickboxing, Bootcamps and Private Boxing sessions within the Hampton Roads area.
Friday February 25, 2011 11:01 BootcampFitness
11:03
[Comment From Coach Lloyd Jones, NN BoxCoach Lloyd Jones, NN Box: ] 
This is Lloyd Jones. I can answer your questions about boxing.
Friday February 25, 2011 11:03 Coach Lloyd Jones, NN Box
11:03
[Comment From guestguest: ] 
as a woman is boxing to masculan for me? I dont bulk up
Friday February 25, 2011 11:03 guest
11:04
BootcampFitness: 
Not at all! It's a fantastic form of fitness for women trying to gain upper body strength while burning fat.
Friday February 25, 2011 11:04 BootcampFitness
11:06
Prue: 

Can you tell us what some of the exercises are that you do when you start? Or do you just start throwing punches? I'm curious about what parts of your body get a workout?
Friday February 25, 2011 11:06 Prue
11:07
[Comment From Coach Lloyd JonesCoach Lloyd Jones: ] 
I agree 100% it also is self defesne as well.
Friday February 25, 2011 11:07 Coach Lloyd Jones
11:08
[Comment From Coach Lloyd JonesCoach Lloyd Jones: ] 
Well you start of with the proper stance and balance. the first few workouts sre for proper form
Friday February 25, 2011 11:08 Coach Lloyd Jones
11:09
BootcampFitness: 
Starting with warm-ups such as running in place, jumping jacks and mountain climbers and then progressing to the bag with jabs slow and controlled to ensure form is safe and correct.
Friday February 25, 2011 11:09 BootcampFitness
11:09
Coach Lloyd Jones: 
We do a host of excercises Hitting the heavybag is just one of many
Friday February 25, 2011 11:09 Coach Lloyd Jones
11:09
Prue: 
So, say I go for my first workout -- I'm a woman in my 30s(just pretend) - what could I expect to do?
Friday February 25, 2011 11:09 Prue
11:10
Coach Lloyd Jones: 
We wpuld start you with your proper boxing stance and teach you the right way to punch
Friday February 25, 2011 11:10 Coach Lloyd Jones
11:11
Prue: 
Readers: We're talking to two experts in FITNESS and BOXING. Boxing has become really popular for all ages and men and women. Learn how to use it in your workouts. Ask your questions until 1 p.m.
Friday February 25, 2011 11:11 Prue
11:11
BootcampFitness: 
If no boxing experience, form is imperative
Friday February 25, 2011 11:11 BootcampFitness
11:11
Coach Lloyd Jones: 
Everone trains as if they are going to be competitive
Friday February 25, 2011 11:11 Coach Lloyd Jones
11:11
Coach Lloyd Jones: 
Everone trains as if they are going to be competitive
Friday February 25, 2011 11:11 Coach Lloyd Jones
11:11
Prue: 
What are typical mistakes that people make when they start boxing?
Friday February 25, 2011 11:11 Prue
11:11
BootcampFitness: 
Many punch incorrectly which can injure wrists and joints.
Friday February 25, 2011 11:11 BootcampFitness
11:12
BootcampFitness: 
It goes the same with Kickboxing...improper kicks can injure the knees
Friday February 25, 2011 11:12 BootcampFitness
11:12
Coach Lloyd Jones: 
Not focusing on the proper form and being impatiant
Friday February 25, 2011 11:12 Coach Lloyd Jones
11:12
[Comment From MaryMary: ] 
Do you need to lift weights to get started?
Friday February 25, 2011 11:12 Mary
11:12
BootcampFitness: 
No, you don't have to lift weights to begin this form of fitness
Friday February 25, 2011 11:12 BootcampFitness
11:13
Coach Lloyd Jones: 
No there are a host of movements you can do that don't involve weights
Friday February 25, 2011 11:13 Coach Lloyd Jones
11:13
[Comment From GuestGuest: ] 
what age is good for kids to start boxing
Friday February 25, 2011 11:13 Guest
11:13
Prue: 
Readers: We are talking to 2 fitness/boxing experts. If you can't stay for the whole chat, be sure to go to www.dailypress.com/health and click on Archived Live Web Chats for the full transcript.
Friday February 25, 2011 11:13 Prue
11:14
BootcampFitness: 
I started within a Karate dojo and many kids start through martial arts
Friday February 25, 2011 11:14 BootcampFitness
11:14
Coach Lloyd Jones: 
At 8 they can be properly registered with USA Boxing
Friday February 25, 2011 11:14 Coach Lloyd Jones
11:14
[Comment From Russ HodgeRuss Hodge: ] 
Is there any body contact like blows to anothers' head?
Friday February 25, 2011 11:14 Russ Hodge
11:14
BootcampFitness: 
Only if in a sparring environment with protective headgear
Friday February 25, 2011 11:14 BootcampFitness
11:14
Prue: 
That's a good question from Russ with all the concerns about concussion and head injury in many, many sports.
Friday February 25, 2011 11:14 Prue
11:15
Coach Lloyd Jones: 
No not at all,unless you decide you want to. lol
Friday February 25, 2011 11:15 Coach Lloyd Jones
11:15
BootcampFitness: 
Awesome Lloyd :)
Friday February 25, 2011 11:15 BootcampFitness
11:15
Coach Lloyd Jones: 
lol ty
Friday February 25, 2011 11:15 Coach Lloyd Jones
11:15
Prue: 
How long should a sparring session last?
Friday February 25, 2011 11:15 Prue
11:15
Coach Lloyd Jones: 
We use all safety measures at our gym.
Friday February 25, 2011 11:15 Coach Lloyd Jones
11:16
Coach Lloyd Jones: 
About 2-3 min. rounds
Friday February 25, 2011 11:16 Coach Lloyd Jones
11:16
Prue: 
That's it? Just 2 to 3 minutes?
Friday February 25, 2011 11:16 Prue
11:16
BootcampFitness: 
Depends on the personal goals well
Friday February 25, 2011 11:16 BootcampFitness
11:16
Coach Lloyd Jones: 
With a fair amount of trainging
Friday February 25, 2011 11:16 Coach Lloyd Jones
11:16
Coach Lloyd Jones: 
agree
Friday February 25, 2011 11:16 Coach Lloyd Jones
11:17
BootcampFitness: 
Sparring then bag work then floor work and doing this within intervals
Friday February 25, 2011 11:17 BootcampFitness
11:17
Prue: 
Coach Jones -- I saw people at your gym using jump ropes. Tell me about that.
Friday February 25, 2011 11:17 Prue
11:17
[Comment From guestguest: ] 
how many calories does your average client burn in a class?
Friday February 25, 2011 11:17 guest
11:18
Coach Lloyd Jones: 
Thats the first thing we do for about 10-15 min. It's a great way to warm up as well as great cardio
Friday February 25, 2011 11:18 Coach Lloyd Jones
11:18
BootcampFitness: 
Kickboxing approximately 500-900 calories, Bootcamps 600-800 calories and Boxing sessions 700-800 calories
Friday February 25, 2011 11:18 BootcampFitness
11:19
Prue: 
Kelli -- How long are your sessions?
Friday February 25, 2011 11:19 Prue
11:19
BootcampFitness: 
All sessions are 1 hour
Friday February 25, 2011 11:19 BootcampFitness
11:19
Prue: 
Do you have beginner, then more advanced or is everyone in together?
Friday February 25, 2011 11:19 Prue
11:19
BootcampFitness: 
But, I also provide extra time for stretching since I want the full hour for burn
Friday February 25, 2011 11:19 BootcampFitness
11:20
BootcampFitness: 
For Kickboxing and Bootcamps, we all work together as a team and I focus on the individuals and what I know to be their personal goals, injuries, etc. That way, I can provide modifications for different levels.
Friday February 25, 2011 11:20 BootcampFitness
11:21
Prue: 
Can you explain the difference between regular boxing and kickboxing. Is one more suitable for certain people/ages than the other?
Friday February 25, 2011 11:21 Prue
11:21
Coach Jones NN Boxing Cl: 
We are a boxing gym our feet stay on the ground!
Friday February 25, 2011 11:21 Coach Jones NN Boxing Cl
11:22
Coach Jones NN Boxing Cl: 
Kickicboxing is great fun and when done right self defense as well
Friday February 25, 2011 11:22 Coach Jones NN Boxing Cl
11:22
Prue: 
Coach Jones -- is it difficult for some people to actually punch someone else? How do you teach that without going too far?
Friday February 25, 2011 11:22 Prue
11:22
BootcampFitness: 
The Kickboxing is incorporating the general idea of full body contact, yet 100% cardio for the entire hour and punching and kicking in the air or on mitts
Friday February 25, 2011 11:22 BootcampFitness
11:22
[Comment From JohnJohn: ] 
I want to seet up a home gym. What equipment would I need for boxing
Friday February 25, 2011 11:22 John
11:23
Coach Jones NN Boxing Cl: 
It really is not that hard because we all are here for thr same reaso. not everyone is going to hit or be hit
Friday February 25, 2011 11:23 Coach Jones NN Boxing Cl
11:23
BootcampFitness: 
For a home gym, you would need a heavy bag, hanging or standing. You also need the proper gloves and handwraps.
Friday February 25, 2011 11:23 BootcampFitness
11:24
Coach Jones NN Boxing Cl: 
A heavy bag, Speed bag,gloves and handwraps and and get trained propely.
Friday February 25, 2011 11:24 Coach Jones NN Boxing Cl
11:24
Prue: 
Where can you get that equipment? How heavy should the bag be?
Friday February 25, 2011 11:24 Prue
11:25
Coach Jones NN Boxing Cl: 
Start with a light bag about 70pds
Friday February 25, 2011 11:25 Coach Jones NN Boxing Cl
11:25
Prue: 
Readers: we're talking to two experts in fitness and boxing. You can ask your questions until 1 p.m.
Friday February 25, 2011 11:25 Prue
11:26
Coach Jones NN Boxing Cl: 
Any sporting good store or go on line there are good deals out there
Friday February 25, 2011 11:26 Coach Jones NN Boxing Cl
11:26
BootcampFitness: 
I personally use a standing heavy bag with a water base...it allows my clients to kick and punch it and push it across the floor as well
Friday February 25, 2011 11:26 BootcampFitness
11:26
Prue: 
Kelli and Coach Jones -- Could you let readers know where your gyms are and how they can contact you if they have questions.
Friday February 25, 2011 11:26 Prue
11:26
[Comment From DPDP: ] 
As a Client of Kelli's and a relative new comer to kick-boxing it is very easy to get started and a great workout with a lots of cardio
Friday February 25, 2011 11:26 DP
11:28
Coach Jones NN Boxing Cl: 
--Newport News Boxing Club is located at 9513 or Warwick Blvd. -369-5814 or 206-8709
Friday February 25, 2011 11:28 Coach Jones NN Boxing Cl
11:28
BootcampFitness: 
I use a warehouse in Hampton, city parks and beaches and gymnasiums in Hampton and Newport News. I can be reached at 814-6068 and www.kpbootcamp.com
Friday February 25, 2011 11:28 BootcampFitness
11:28
Prue: 
Coach Jones -- Do you have any women working out in your gym? Is it all individual or do you have group classes?
Friday February 25, 2011 11:28 Prue
11:29
[Comment From DPDP: ] 
When I first Started with BootCamp fitness I had just quit smoking a year before and was 20 pounds heavier, this gives me great energy and lots of focus
Friday February 25, 2011 11:29 DP
11:29
BootcampFitness: 
Thank you for the positive feedback "Guest DP"
Friday February 25, 2011 11:29 BootcampFitness
11:30
Prue: 
Kelli -- what combination of routines do you recommend for those getting fit? How often/long should you work out? Like, should you box every day or do different things?
Friday February 25, 2011 11:30 Prue
11:30
[Comment From GuestGuest: ] 
My left side is much weaker than my right. Any suggestions for what I can do?
Friday February 25, 2011 11:30 Guest
11:31
BootcampFitness: 
I believe that variety is key. Muscle confusion is good for the body. Length of time for workouts depends on the physical history, but can be modified and progressed to one hour at least 3 times per week.
Friday February 25, 2011 11:31 BootcampFitness
11:32
[Comment From EmmyEmmy: ] 
I just took my first Bootcamp class with Kelli on Wednesday and loved it!!!!! She is a great motivator and challenges individuals of ALL fitness levels.
Friday February 25, 2011 11:32 Emmy
11:33
BootcampFitness: 
Using weight resistance for your left side will help achieve the strength you need to compensate for the higher strength on your right side. (answering guest question)
Friday February 25, 2011 11:33 BootcampFitness
11:34
Prue: 
Can you explain what weight resistance is?
Friday February 25, 2011 11:34 Prue
11:34
BootcampFitness: 
Yes, incorporating controlled weight-lifting with dumbbells, weight plates and kettlebells
Friday February 25, 2011 11:34 BootcampFitness
11:35
Prue: 
What sort of weight should you start with?
Friday February 25, 2011 11:35 Prue
11:36
BootcampFitness: 
It depends on the individual, but a beginner would be 3 to 5 pound weights progressing to 8 and then 10
Friday February 25, 2011 11:36 BootcampFitness
11:36
[Comment From georgegeorge: ] 
how long do you have to train before you're ready to fight
Friday February 25, 2011 11:36 george
11:37
Coach Jones NN Boxing Clu: 
That all depends on you George, on avg. about 3mo.
Friday February 25, 2011 11:37 Coach Jones NN Boxing Clu
11:38
Coach Jones NN Boxing Clu: 
It will take 6 wks just to get in boxing shape
Friday February 25, 2011 11:38 Coach Jones NN Boxing Clu
11:38
Prue: 
How are 'fights' organized -- by weight? by age? experience?
Friday February 25, 2011 11:38 Prue
11:38
Coach Jones NN Boxing Clu: 
All of the above
Friday February 25, 2011 11:38 Coach Jones NN Boxing Clu
11:38
Prue: 
What's the most important skill for a boxer --is it footwork?
Friday February 25, 2011 11:38 Prue
11:38
[Comment From Syd ViciousSyd Vicious: ] 
As an old comer to Bootcamp fitness ;) I would like to thank you for the 71lb weight-loss. With alot of hard work, commitment, and motivation from Kelli Paul and the great people in class it was the best thing I could have ever done for myself
Friday February 25, 2011 11:38 Syd Vicious
11:38
Coach Jones NN Boxing Clu: 
We like to call the Bouts fights sounds so brutal.
Friday February 25, 2011 11:38 Coach Jones NN Boxing Clu
11:38
Coach Jones NN Boxing Clu: 
them
Friday February 25, 2011 11:38 Coach Jones NN Boxing Clu
11:39
Prue: 
I knew I was using the wrong word!!
Friday February 25, 2011 11:39 Prue
11:39
Coach Jones NN Boxing Clu: 
lol
Friday February 25, 2011 11:39 Coach Jones NN Boxing Clu
11:39
[Comment From Russ HodgeRuss Hodge: ] 
What is the charge for the classes and is there a membership or rental fee? Also is there a scedual?
Friday February 25, 2011 11:39 Russ Hodge
11:39
BootcampFitness: 
I love Bouts...awesome
Friday February 25, 2011 11:39 BootcampFitness
11:40
Coach Jones NN Boxing Clu: 
It's $60 per mo. $20 reg fee train whenever you want no contract yor welcomme to use all eqiuptment free of charge
Friday February 25, 2011 11:40 Coach Jones NN Boxing Clu
11:41
Prue: 
Readers: We have just a few minutes left to ask questions of our two boxing/fitness experts. If you can't stay for the whole chat, be sure to check out the full transcript afterwards at www.dailypress.com/health and click on the tab, Archived Live Web Chats.
Friday February 25, 2011 11:41 Prue
11:41
[Comment From DonnieDonnie: ] 
What are some of the most common mistakes in technique and form that you seen in beginner boxers?
Friday February 25, 2011 11:41 Donnie
11:41
BootcampFitness: 
Classes are charged per session or four classes in bulk. I personally believe fitness should be affordable, therefore you are more apt to stick with it and see the rewards...$15 for one class, or $48 for four. Private Sessions are $40.
Friday February 25, 2011 11:41 BootcampFitness
11:42
Coach Jones NN Boxing Clu: 
were open almost all day and you train when you want to we have 4 coaches available as well
Friday February 25, 2011 11:42 Coach Jones NN Boxing Clu
11:42
Prue: 
When you say "all day" -- what are the approximate hours?
Friday February 25, 2011 11:42 Prue
11:43
Prue: 
Can you answer Donnie's question about beginner form?
Friday February 25, 2011 11:43 Prue
11:43
Coach Jones NN Boxing Clu: 
We are a real boxing gym we do competitive training programs 4 all and no you dont have to get hit.
Friday February 25, 2011 11:43 Coach Jones NN Boxing Clu
11:43
BootcampFitness: 
Beginning boxers have to learn proper mechanics FIRST...safety is key
Friday February 25, 2011 11:43 BootcampFitness
11:44
Prue: 
Also, what changes can you expect to see in your body if you follow a regular boxing regimen
Friday February 25, 2011 11:44 Prue
11:44
Coach Jones NN Boxing Clu: 
I'm there from 9-12 and 3-8 by appt also
Friday February 25, 2011 11:44 Coach Jones NN Boxing Clu
11:45
[Comment From BarbBarb: ] 
What's the address and do you offer 1st free?
Friday February 25, 2011 11:45 Barb
11:45
Coach Jones NN Boxing Clu: 
first with any fitness routine you will feel great!!!
Friday February 25, 2011 11:45 Coach Jones NN Boxing Clu
11:45
Prue: 
Barb is asking Coach Jones about the address and if first session is free?
Friday February 25, 2011 11:45 Prue
11:45
BootcampFitness: 
Boxing is a great form of cardiovascular fitness and muscle toning
Friday February 25, 2011 11:45 BootcampFitness
11:45
Coach Jones NN Boxing Clu: 
Your body will become more toned and defifined
Friday February 25, 2011 11:45 Coach Jones NN Boxing Clu
11:45
Prue: 
Is there anyone that you wouldn't recommend boxing for? Age restriction?
Friday February 25, 2011 11:45 Prue
11:46
[Comment From GuestGuest: ] 
do you recommend taking supplements for musclebuilding. What diet tips do yu have
Friday February 25, 2011 11:46 Guest
11:46
Coach Jones NN Boxing Clu: 
9513 Warwick Blvd and yes you can come in for 1 sessions free
Friday February 25, 2011 11:46 Coach Jones NN Boxing Clu
11:47
Coach Jones NN Boxing Clu: 
-or can call me at -
Friday February 25, 2011 11:47 Coach Jones NN Boxing Clu
11:47
Prue: 
Should people make an appointment or can they just walk in?
Friday February 25, 2011 11:47 Prue
11:47
BootcampFitness: 
I personally do not believe in using supplements...using natural whole foods and vitamins within your fitness life is crucial
Friday February 25, 2011 11:47 BootcampFitness
11:48
Coach Jones NN Boxing Clu: 
I personally don't but they work for some just a healthy diet and a multi vitamin will do the trick
Friday February 25, 2011 11:48 Coach Jones NN Boxing Clu
11:48
Prue: 

I've been in gyms where I've seen people punching a pad held by someone else as they walk -- what is the purpose of this?
Friday February 25, 2011 11:48 Prue
11:49
Coach Jones NN Boxing Clu: 
Kelli I may take a Boot camp class or 2 love to cross train.
Friday February 25, 2011 11:49 Coach Jones NN Boxing Clu
11:49
BootcampFitness: 
This gives them a focal point and a form of resistance to aim for.
Friday February 25, 2011 11:49 BootcampFitness
11:49
BootcampFitness: 
I use this technique quite often.
Friday February 25, 2011 11:49 BootcampFitness
11:49
Coach Jones NN Boxing Clu: 
We call them working the pads
Friday February 25, 2011 11:49 Coach Jones NN Boxing Clu
11:50
Prue: 
How is it different from having a stationary pad or bag?
Friday February 25, 2011 11:50 Prue
11:50
BootcampFitness: 
Lloyd...I would love to get together!
Friday February 25, 2011 11:50 BootcampFitness
11:50
BootcampFitness: 
They have to use hand/eye coordination and it also keeps the heart rate elevated.
Friday February 25, 2011 11:50 BootcampFitness
11:51
Prue: 
Are there any exercise DVDs that you recommend?
Friday February 25, 2011 11:51 Prue
11:51
Newport News Boxing Club: 
the pads is what really gets by boxers sharp as far as timing we use them alot close to a bout
Friday February 25, 2011 11:51 Newport News Boxing Club
11:52
BootcampFitness: 
I also Coach with Beachbody and personally promote their products as further training for those that cannot attend my classes.
Friday February 25, 2011 11:52 BootcampFitness
11:52
Prue: 
What is Beachbody?
Friday February 25, 2011 11:52 Prue
11:52
Newport News Boxing Club: 
NO! Theres is nothing like being there live a dvd cant motivate you
Friday February 25, 2011 11:52 Newport News Boxing Club
11:52
BootcampFitness: 
These are P90X, Insanity, TurboFire...etc.
Friday February 25, 2011 11:52 BootcampFitness
11:53
BootcampFitness: 
BUT, I do agree 100% with Lloyd, which is why I am their personal Coach with their Beachbody DVD's
Friday February 25, 2011 11:53 BootcampFitness
11:53
Newport News Boxing Club: 
And u can sit on the couch and it a burgere and watch them, go to agym bootcamp or something of the kind
Friday February 25, 2011 11:53 Newport News Boxing Club
11:53
Prue: 
Experts: We're near the end of our chat. Please give your contact information again -- how people can reach you and get started on a fitness regimen.
Friday February 25, 2011 11:53 Prue
11:54
Newport News Boxing Club: 
NEWPORT NEWS BOXING CLUB
Friday February 25, 2011 11:54 Newport News Boxing Club
11:54
BootcampFitness: 
Kelli Paul with Bootcamp Fitness 814-6068
www.kpbootcamp.com
Facebook member under Kelli Paul and Bootcamp Fitness, LLC
Friday February 25, 2011 11:54 BootcampFitness
11:55
Newport News Boxing Club: 
9513 Warwick Blvd 206-8709 369-5814
Friday February 25, 2011 11:55 Newport News Boxing Club
11:55
BootcampFitness: 
Thank you all for your questions...thank you Prue for the opportunity and thank you Lloyd for the partnership today!
Friday February 25, 2011 11:55 BootcampFitness
11:55
Newport News Boxing Club: 
Thank you as well
Friday February 25, 2011 11:55 Newport News Boxing Club
11:56
Prue: 
Kelli and Coach Lloyd -- Thanks very much for your expertise and information today. Please tell our readers one more time why boxing is great. Then I'll close out the chat!
Friday February 25, 2011 11:56 Prue
11:56
BootcampFitness: 
Boxing is my FAVORITE form of fitness and you will become fit, happy and sexy!!
Friday February 25, 2011 11:56 BootcampFitness
11:57
Newport News Boxing Club: 
and learn how not to get hit!!!!!!
Friday February 25, 2011 11:57 Newport News Boxing Club
11:58
Prue: 
Thanks very much. Again, for the full transcript, go to www.dailypress.com/health and click on Archived Live Web Chats. Stay fit and safe. Bye.
Friday February 25, 2011 11:58 Prue
11:58